'There is no need of examination.'

Indian lady: May I ask one question? I'm running my own school in Hosharpur, and it starts to A-class, and I want to convert it into gurukula. How I can make arrangements for the books and the examination or the students can take Welley (?) certificate and examination from recognized book? We should make something.

Prabhupada: Running on...? What is that school?

Indian lady: All kind of school, English-speaking.

Prabhupada: But if you have to work under government regulation, then you cannot do it. You won't get government help.

Indian lady: But I want to convert it into gurukula on the basis of Hare Krsna consciousness.

Prabhupada: Our gurukula means how to teach them to become self-controlled. That is first business. This literary education secondary, grammar secondary. The first necessity is how to create them santa, danta, self-controlled.

Indian lady: But we have got from Punjab Board and education board...

Prabhupada: And therefore I say, if you have to work under government control, it is very difficult. If you can work independently, then it is possible.

Indian lady: It is independent. I'm independent. I'm doing everything.

Prabhupada: No, if you take government help...

Indian lady: But the students go for examination in the board also.

Prabhupada: Examination or no examination, if you, they practice the rules, that is sufficient examination. Suppose one of the items, that one has to rise early in the morning... So if one is rising early in the morning, then what is the examination? That is already examined. If one has to rise early in the morning, attend the mangala-arti, sitting in the class and reading Bhagavad-Gita, chanting Hare Krsna... These are all practical. There is no need of examination. If he is doing, then it is examination passed.

Indian lady: But the parents want certificate.

Prabhupada: Therefore, if you want to satisfy the parents, the government, then it is not possible. You have to satisfy Krsna.

Indian lady: They have to go in colleges.

Prabhupada: I know that. Therefore I said that if you have to satisfy so many masters, it is not possible.

Dr. Patel: At the most she can give some sort of a cultural education along with those programs.

Prabhupada: What that cultural...? If he does not practice, what is that culture? It is practice.

Dr. Patel: Practice in Bhagavad-Gita and practice..., in the subjects.

Prabhupada: What is the use? They will produce that, such blind leaders.

Dr. Patel: They will not produce so bad leaders perhaps. At least they will have a little better understanding than those fools who have no background of religion at all. Well, your schools, so-called secularism, means no religion.

Prabhupada: Therefore we have to follow the sastra. Then it will be possible. Brahmacare gurukule...

Indian lady: Christian has their own government schools everywhere. And we can have our own Krsna consciousness school.

Prabhupada: Yes. We are having our own all over the world. We don't follow the government regulations

Indian lady: The Christian... [break]

Room Conversation, January 5, 1977, Bombay