: How it can be that so many sages of the past,
they proclaimed ahaṁ brahmāsmi.
: Brahman (Hindi). You are Brahman. Because you
are part and parcel of Parabrahman. That I have already told you. That gold,
big gold and small particle, that is gold. Similarly, Bhagavān Parabrahman, and
we are part and parcel of Him. Therefore I am Brahman. But I am not
Parabrahman. Kṛṣṇa is accepted as Parabrahman by Arjuna: paraṁ brahma paraṁ
dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12). Parabrahman. So param, this word is
used, Paramātmā, Parabrahman, Parameśvara. Why? That is the difference. One is
supreme and one is subordinate. Subordinate Brahman. You are Brahman, there is
no doubt of it. But not that Parabrahman. If you are Parabrahman, then why you
are making sādhana to become Parabrahman? Why? If you are Parabrahman, then you
are Parabrahman always. Why you have fallen in this condition that you have to
perform sādhana to become Parabrahman? That is foolishness. You are not
Parabrahman. You are Brahman. You are gold, a small particle. But you cannot
say that "I am gold mine." That you cannot do. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ
dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12).
: So he is checking if it is time to go on...
Are you going to come with us also? Very good.
: Bring little water. These, my disciples they are
part and parcel of me. Whole mission is going on with their cooperation. But if
he says that I am equal to my Guru Mahārāja, then that is offense.
: Suppose guru desires that my disciple should
rise higher than me.
: That means he is in lower stage. That you have
to accept first of all.
: Like as a father sees that his children grow.
: Yes, still father begets father, and a child
cannot become father.
: Father begets father but he feels that he may,
: No, no. Father may want to see that the son is
equally qualified, but still the father is father, and child is child. That is
perpetual. Similarly, a part and parcel of God may be very powerful, but that
does not mean that he has become God.
: Other traditions, guru disciple, then the
disciple becomes guru, then disciple. The gurus may change.
: They cannot change. If there are change of guru,
the disciple acts, but does not, he'll never say that I have become equal or
one with guru. That is not so.
: I am thinking about this, Swamiji, that your
Guru Mahārāja is preaching through you, and you are preaching through them.
: So disciple is guru through his disciples.
: That's all right. Evaṁ paramparā prāptam (BG
4.2). But that does not become, he has become. He may be representative of
guru, representative of God, but it does not mean that he has become God.
: But he becomes guru with his disciples.
: That's alright.
: Never equal to his guru.
: Not equal, representative. I send one
representative of this man, and he may be very expert, doing very good business,
still he cannot be equal to me. He is acting as my representative, that's
another thing. But not that he has become the original proprietor.
: But as your disciples, you are taken as guru.
: But they will never say that they have become
equal to me. "I have advanced to be my guru." Never say. Just like
this boy, he is offering obeisances. He may be expert in preaching more than
me, but he knows that "I am subordinate." Otherwise how he shall
offer obeisances? He can think, "Oh, now I am so learned. I am so
advanced. Why shall I accept him as superior?" No. That continues. Even
after my death, after my disappearance, he will offer obeisances to my picture.
: But amongst his disciples he will be
: That's all right, but he remains a disciple of
his guru. He will never say that "Now I have become guru, so I don't care
for my guru." He will never say. Just like I am doing, but I am worshiping
my guru still. So I remain subordinate to my guru, always. Even though I have
become guru, still I am subordinate to my guru.
Room Conversation with Life Member, Mr. Malhotra -- December
22, 1976, Poona