Let him hear by force....

Satsvarupa: But should this be forced on people if they don't want it?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Satsvarupa: If a large section of the people don't want spiritual life, that's their...

Prabhupada: No, you cannot force. That is not possible, because he has got independence. You cannot force. You can simply give him knowledge. Therefore to distribute knowledge is the best welfare activities, not this material so-called happiness, daridra-narayana-seva and this... They have got that. That will not make them happy. If you give them knowledge, then they will be really benefited. Otherwise not.

Brahmananda: How do we give knowledge to the common masses of people?

Prabhupada: Yes, by sankirtana. By hearing, hearing, hearing -- this is a medicinal process -- the heart will be cleansed and they will take up the knowledge. Now the heart is unclean, so he cannot take up. So this is the medicine. Kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. Harer nama harer... [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Chant Hare Krsna mantra wherever possible, and whoever will hear, he will gradually become cleansed. Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And then bhava-maha-davagni... Then his material pangs will be over. This is the only medicine. Therefore chant Hare Krsna. Some way or other, let them have the chance of hearing, and then it will act as medicine. Even he does not will, you chant, you let him hear by force, and he will be cured.

(Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur)

Devotees do not suffer

Devotee: But the devotees, they seem to be suffering too,from...

Prabhupada: Yes, you cannot expect, if you are sufferingfrom some disease, you cannot expect to be cured immediately. But one who istaking the medicine, he is intelligent. His sufferings will be gone. But theserascals, they will not take medicine even. They will continue to suffer. Thisis the position. Devotees actually do not suffer, but you see that he issuffering. Because you are suffering. Devotees do not suffer.

Madhudvisa: What happens to them?

Prabhupada: They enjoy. They enjoy. Hare Krsna! How you aredancing always, Hare Krsna, unless you are enjoying?

Madhudvisa: Sometimes I get sick stomach too.

Prabhupada: That's all right, because you have got thisbody. And after giving up this body, completely, blissful life. Tyaktva dehampunar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. You are not going to get another body ofsuffering, that is your advantage. And these rascals, they are going tocontinue one body after another simply suffering. And for the devotees,although they do not suffer, it is just like, the fan is moving, you make theswitch off. It is actually not moving, it is by the last force it is moving,but the switch is off. And it will stop, suffering. But you have no suchchance, you will simply go on suffering, moving, moving, moving, bhutva bhutvapraliyate [Bg. 8.19]. You shall have to accept one body, suffer, and again giveup this body. Another body suffer, because so long as you accept material body,this body or that body, you will have to suffer. Material body means suffering.So those who are not Krsna conscious, they will change bodies one afteranother, and continue to suffer threefold miseries. And devotees, actually theyare not suffering, but even if you say they are suffering, so after giving upthis body, they are no more accepting material body. They will remain inspiritual body.

 (Morning Walk -- April 7,1975, Mayapur)

Garuda is not Vegetarian !!

Prabhupada: Oh, common sense. (pause) [break] ...man's aeroplane. Just see. Immediately he goes up. And man's aeroplane, oh, you have to takes position, you have to go so many miles like this. Then you can... It is imitation. The aeroplane has also wings, but his wings is collapsed. But that wing you have to keep. Therefore you require so much space.

Svarupa Damodara: Just like, Srila Prabhupada, a vulture. When the vulture wants to take off, he will run just like an aeroplane for a certain distance. They cannot just get up immediately. Vulture.

Prabhupada: So you scientists, you are like vultures. (laughter) You have imitated vultures.

Umapati: The symbol of the United States is an eagle, which is a bird of prey.

Prabhupada: No, eagle... Our symbol is also Garuda, big eagle. Yes. Big eagle, Garuda. And you know Garuda is not vegetarian. You know that?

Prajapati: Snakes.

Prabhupada: Yes. He is not vegetarian. So if one becomes a sincere devotee like Garuda, you can allow him to become non-vegetarian. If he cannot give it up. [break]

Nara-narayana: Garuda is from the jiva-tattva or he is an expansion?

Prabhupada: No, he is jiva-tattva. Nitya-siddha.

(Morning Walk -- January 12, 1974, Los Angeles)

Experimental science is condemned !!

Pusta Krsna: Is there a Vedic definition of science?

Prabhupada: Vijnana. Jnana-vijnana. [break] ...not this science, experimental. That is not science. Vedic knowledge is science.

Pusta Krsna: So there is no experimental science in Vedic culture.

Prabhupada: Experimental science is condemned. What you will make, ex... You are imperfect. What is the value of your experiment? Therefore it is rejected. Whatever you'll do, that is imperfect. First of all you become perfect; then you make experiment. But you are... You remain imperfect, and you making experiment. What is the value of it? [break] ...is no experimental knowledge. All established truth. That is vijnana, or science.

Pusta Krsna: Established truth.

Prabhupada: Yes. The sun rises on the eastern side; that is established truth. You cannot change it. And that is vijnana. Man dies. This is established truth. You cannot make any change by experimental knowledge. This is vijnana. Nrpa nirnita: "It is already settled." In the Vedic knowledge there is no such thing as laboratory or experiment, discovery, nothing.

Pusta Krsna: People blindly would accept that cow dung was purified without having to test it.

Prabhupada: Yes. But you make experiment; you will find it all right. So we save time. [break] ...no experiment. [break] ...experiment has become successful? Hm?

Pusta Krsna: Well, they've cured certain diseases by experimentation.

Prabhupada: That is success? You stop disease. What is this, "cure disease"? Malaria, if it is not here, it is somewhere there. And if I am not suffering from malaria, I am suffering from syphilis. So what is this cure, experiment? Disease must be there. So you stop it. Then it is success.

Pusta Krsna: So it is not possible to stop disease.

Prabhupada: No. How it is possible?

Pusta Krsna: Is it worthwhile to try to prolong life?

Prabhupada: It is also condemned. Prolonged life... Suppose you live hundred years and a tree lives five thousand years, ten thousand years. Then what is the use of prolonging life, life like this? Is that very good life?

Pusta Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: Standing in one place for ten thousand years? Why should you prolong your life? For suffering? You are suffering, that is your problem, so what is the use of prolonging your life? This is foolishness. What do you gain by prolonging life if you are suffering? Stop suffering. That is wanted. How you can stop suffering? With suffering, prolonging life, what is the benefit?

Pusta Krsna: Just means more, longer suffering.

Prabhupada: Yes. And even if you prolong life, how long you'll prolong? There are trees. They are thousand times prolonging than your life. In... What is called? San Francisco, the Golden...

Pusta Krsna: Redwood trees.

Prabhupada: Redwood trees. One redwood, already seven thousand years old, they told me. So what is the benefit, seven thousand years standing in one place, very long? Hm? What is the benefit? You are trying to prolong life. Very good idea. But what is the use of prolonging life while suffering? One side, you are trying to prolong life; the other side, for acute suffering, one is committing suicide. So why this contradictory proposal?

Harikesa: Well, only some people commit suicide. As far as I'm concerned, I'm very happy. I have my car, my air conditioner...

Prabhupada: That means you are fool number one. That means you are fool number one. As soon as you say, "I am happy," it is immediately proved that you are a rascal, fool number one.

Pusta Krsna: But everyone is afraid of death. They don't like the idea of dying. Put if off.

Prabhupada: Yes. So therefore, you cure that first of all; then prolong life that there will be no death. Then you prolong life is... Make some understand. Can go this side?

Harikesa: So it's not possible that anyone's happy? There is no possibility of anyone being happy.

Prabhupada: No. One who thinks he is happy, he is number one fool.

Pusta Krsna: Everyone is searching after material happiness.

Prabhupada: Yes. But there is no happiness.

(Morning Walk -- October 20, 1975, Johannesburg)